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Old 06-14-2014, 08:17 PM
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Is it a new production Zastava or a surplus Yugo production M57?
I know this is an old thread, but I just joined. I want to know how you tell the difference?
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:29 PM
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I know this is an old thread, but I just joined. I want to know how you tell the difference?
Between what? A surplus M57 and a new M57A?

The old M57s have jerryrigged safeties that were installed because in order to be imported, ATF requires that semi auto pistols have a manual, positive safety. Normally they have 1911-style thumb safeties. I don't own an old M57, but I'd assume they would only have the importer's company name and location stamped onto the pistol. The old M57s also have the Yugoslav crest stamped on them. These pistols do not have a firing pin block.

A new M57A would be made by Zastava Arms and will say "Zastava Serbia" on the frame. They will also have an importer's stamp (Century Arms of Vermont), but "Zastava Serbia" should appear on the left of the frame. Keep in mind, if it says Serbia, it's new because Serbia didn't exist as a country from about 1920 to the 2000s. I believe Serbia stopped calling itself Yugoslavia around 2006, which is five years before the new M57s began being imported. The new M57s also have a Beretta 92-style slide safety. The slide safety also acts as a firing pin block.

The finish will probably be more worn on a surplus M57, but I've seen almost brand new surplus pistols being posted online. Also I believe the surplus pistols are C&R eligible, but don't quote me on that and check with the dealer and your packet from the ATF if you have a FFL03.

This is the old Yugo crest, supposedly the number of torches indicates era of production:


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Old 06-14-2014, 08:46 PM
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To explain a little further, the new M57A pistols began being imported in about November/December 2011, right around the time of Newtown and Obama's re-election. The new Zastava M57As have a serial number on right of the frame, below the side and above the grips, that starts Z-M57-000XXXX. I've owned two new M57As and both had serial numbers in the 5000s.

Finally, the new M57As will have different grips with vertical lines and Zastava's "CZ" (Crvena Zastava) logo in the middle of the grip. The surplus pistols have a lanyard ring on the left of the frame and will have the Communist star and "F R S J" initials on the grips. I believe those four letters translate as Federal Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia.
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Old 06-14-2014, 10:10 PM
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Interesting. I guess I need to post some pictures of mine! I just took some, which I'll attach.

My M57 does not say Zastava, Serbia, or Yugoslavia anywhere on it, but it does say Croatia. It does have the FRSJ grips, which I really like. The only other stamping or engraving that I can find is the serial number, the letter T on the right side, the crest on the top, the caliber and model number in large letters on the left, and in tiny engraved letters on the left side of the frame this, as far as I can tell: "GFC MTNSBG LIVA 762x25 CROATIA". I'm not 100% sure that's all correct, but you can see the photos--kind of. It's hard to read.

So, any comments on exactly what I have?
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Old 06-14-2014, 10:21 PM
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Interesting. I guess I need to post some pictures of mine! I just took some, which I'll attach.

My M57 does not say Zastava, Serbia, or Yugoslavia anywhere on it, but it does say Croatia. It does have the FRSJ grips, which I really like. The only other stamping or engraving that I can find is the serial number, the letter T on the right side, the crest on the top, the caliber and model number in large letters on the left, and in tiny engraved letters on the left side of the frame this, as far as I can tell: "GFC MTNSBG LIVA 762x25 CROATIA". I'm not 100% sure that's all correct, but you can see the photos--kind of. It's hard to read.

So, any comments on exactly what I have?
You have, I believe, a surplus Yugoslav-era M57. Yours has the Yugoslav crest, it has a thumb safety, the Communist-era grips, and it was imported from Croatia.

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Technically that pistol is a Zastava. But it isn't and you could confuse people by calling it a Zastava. Zastava has been making guns for centuries, from Austria-Hungary to Serbia to Yugoslavia and now back to Serbia. They didn't stamp their guns "Zastava Serbia" or "Zastava Arms" during the Communist era. It's like how we call the Yugo car a Yugo and not a Zastava. Zastava made the car, but we just called it a Yugo.

It's not very weird that the pistol came from Croatia. Croatia was part of Yugoslavia during the Communist era, so they were or still are sitting on a large amount of Yugoslav equipment.

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Old 06-14-2014, 10:28 PM
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Very cool. Thanks for the info. So if it's not a Zastava, what is it? What do I call it? Just a Yugo Tokarev?

It's probably like my 50's Yugo SKS. Technically, I think it was made in the same factory, but it's not a Zastava. Is that right, or too simplistic of a way of looking at it?

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Old 06-14-2014, 10:39 PM
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Very cool. Thanks for the info. So if it's not a Zastava, what is it? What do I call it? Just a Yugo Tokarev?

It's probably like my 50's Yugo SKS. Technically, I think it was made in the same factory, but it's not a Zastava. Is that right, or too simplistic of a way of looking at it?
1918 - 1945, when Yugoslavia had a king = Yugo
Communist Era = Yugo
After the Breakup of Yugoslavia = Zastava

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Old 06-14-2014, 11:15 PM
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1918 - 1945, when Yugoslavia had a king = Yugo
Communist Era = Yugo
After the Breakup of Yugoslavia = Zastava

Zastava has always been in Serbia. Serbia was part of Yugoslavia. M57A is the upgrade to the M57. All M57As are marked Serbia.
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So, mine has the same "ORG MTNSBG UVA 762X25 CROATIA" on the frame, left side in front of the slide lock. On the right slide says "N154591" and the frame says "154591" right below that. It has one of each grip (old, scratched up sovjet star on one side, brand new "cz" grip on the other) my only question is what is this crest on top of the slide. Its different than the yugo crest discussed. Any help would be appreciated.
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